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			<title><![CDATA[What the f*ck?]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=830</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 15:27:40 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://forums.ttrgame.com//showthread.php?tid=802&amp;pid=13031#pid13031" target="_blank">http://forums.ttrgame.com//showthread.ph...1#pid13031</a><br />
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I have no idea what to do.  I know I should slap Al, but I can\'t stop laughing.]]></description>
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I have no idea what to do.  I know I should slap Al, but I can\'t stop laughing.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Requesting stickies]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=717</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:04:20 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[So how do we handle this?<br />
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Let\'s say I want to put forward the thread TTR day - sunday forward for stickying. Do I need one of you guys to agree on that?<br />
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Just argueing the case here. It is the biggest thread (afaik) in the general discussion and people shouldn\'t have to look for it if it goes down the page during the weekdays.<br />
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Unless we primarly want torque stuff up there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[So how do we handle this?<br />
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Let\'s say I want to put forward the thread TTR day - sunday forward for stickying. Do I need one of you guys to agree on that?<br />
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Just argueing the case here. It is the biggest thread (afaik) in the general discussion and people shouldn\'t have to look for it if it goes down the page during the weekdays.<br />
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Unless we primarly want torque stuff up there.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Welcome, LivingTarget]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=715</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:14:24 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[We have a new moderator in our team. LivingTarget, the one and only.<br />
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Welcome to the fold <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[We have a new moderator in our team. LivingTarget, the one and only.<br />
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Welcome to the fold <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Got lost...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=683</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:23:36 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[For some odd reason, my post got lost.<br />
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But what the fuck happened this weekend?  I leave for 3 days and everyone starts chucking shit at fans?  Not cool.<br />
<br />
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JR, even if you refuse to acknowledge it, you are a member of the TTR team.  Your actions do reflect on TTR itself.<br />
<br />
It does not fly to criticize other team members.<br />
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Hell, it does not fly for moderators to even start shit.  This we\'ve been doing well, especially considering how opinionated we are.<br />
<br />
For example, the thing with Big Al\'s hatred of nuclear power companies.  Either of us could have uncorked on Al, but we didn\'t.<br />
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I believe we should nuke the EK thread all together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[For some odd reason, my post got lost.<br />
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But what the fuck happened this weekend?  I leave for 3 days and everyone starts chucking shit at fans?  Not cool.<br />
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<br />
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JR, even if you refuse to acknowledge it, you are a member of the TTR team.  Your actions do reflect on TTR itself.<br />
<br />
It does not fly to criticize other team members.<br />
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Hell, it does not fly for moderators to even start shit.  This we\'ve been doing well, especially considering how opinionated we are.<br />
<br />
For example, the thing with Big Al\'s hatred of nuclear power companies.  Either of us could have uncorked on Al, but we didn\'t.<br />
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I believe we should nuke the EK thread all together.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[A new type of posts...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=603</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:12:01 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I will shortly announce (within this week) the coming of developer interviews. <br />
<br />
The threads will be posted in the news section and I recon they will heavily loaded with comments and questions from the community. <br />
<br />
In those threads I need us moderators to be strickter than usual. No spamming is allowed and no arguments should be allowed to live.<br />
<br />
In short, the threads need to be tended quite closely.<br />
<br />
I hope that we can all help make those threads as best as they can be. <br />
<br />
Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I will shortly announce (within this week) the coming of developer interviews. <br />
<br />
The threads will be posted in the news section and I recon they will heavily loaded with comments and questions from the community. <br />
<br />
In those threads I need us moderators to be strickter than usual. No spamming is allowed and no arguments should be allowed to live.<br />
<br />
In short, the threads need to be tended quite closely.<br />
<br />
I hope that we can all help make those threads as best as they can be. <br />
<br />
Thanks.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Silly TJ, tricks are for kids...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=551</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:45:19 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Turbojugend posted a picture of a couple who leaped onto stage and started having sex in the Jack Thompson post.<br />
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I deleted it without consulting you guys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Turbojugend posted a picture of a couple who leaped onto stage and started having sex in the Jack Thompson post.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Testing.... Testing]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=534</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:22:42 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Anyone alive here? Just seeing how its going with you guys <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Anyone alive here? Just seeing how its going with you guys <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Please welcome our newest member, Nazi]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=343</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 02:55:32 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I dunno about this, so i thought i would run it by you guys, what do you think? valid nick? this is a WWII game, but maybe pushing the boundaries?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I dunno about this, so i thought i would run it by you guys, what do you think? valid nick? this is a WWII game, but maybe pushing the boundaries?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Another mod recruiting here:]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=313</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:36:24 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://forums.thethirdreich.com/showthread.php?tid=312&amp;pid=4608#pid4608" target="_blank">http://forums.thethirdreich.com/showthre...08#pid4608</a>  I would have smashed the delete button myself, but thought it best to run it by you guys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://forums.thethirdreich.com/showthread.php?tid=312&amp;pid=4608#pid4608" target="_blank">http://forums.thethirdreich.com/showthre...08#pid4608</a>  I would have smashed the delete button myself, but thought it best to run it by you guys.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Moved Big Als Thread]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=255</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:30:27 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Moved Big Al\'s \"Michael Jackson found dead\" thread, as I didn\'t think there was any real reason not to, or there was any doubt at all you guys would see it the same. Sorry if I jumped the gun on that, but thought there was no point hanging around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Moved Big Al\'s \"Michael Jackson found dead\" thread, as I didn\'t think there was any real reason not to, or there was any doubt at all you guys would see it the same. Sorry if I jumped the gun on that, but thought there was no point hanging around.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Everests Avatar?]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=244</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:47:09 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yay or Nay?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Yay or Nay?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Thread Names]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=205</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:43:56 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[request for someone to rename \"it has happened\" <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" /> and look at the pointless and non english \"hey\" thread<br />
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i\'m off to the pub<br />
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*EDIT* was in a rush earlier i know dising bad thread naming is stupid when i name my thread \"threads\" so anyway.... <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[request for someone to rename \"it has happened\" <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" /> and look at the pointless and non english \"hey\" thread<br />
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i\'m off to the pub<br />
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*EDIT* was in a rush earlier i know dising bad thread naming is stupid when i name my thread \"threads\" so anyway.... <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Edited Sgt. Booms answer...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=181</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[... in the \"Would you defend your country\" discussion.<br />
<br />
If they want to discuss Iraq or the US politics, they can start a new thread. <br />
<br />
Here is his post in case he wants it back (through PM or whatever) :<br />
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[Sgt. Boomer walks into a quite room, leaves a little post and walks out. Comes back later, finds blood carnage and mayhem. He blushes a little with embarrassment, but then thinks &#8220;what the heck, it is a war-game sight.&#8221;]<br />
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<blockquote><cite>isoFlux Wrote:</cite>Iraq isn\'t about "freeing the Iraqi people".  its an imperialist venture to help secure the most needed natural resource. period.  Iraq didn\'t threaten the U.S.  More people have died during the US/Coalition invasion and occupation than in Saddam\'s rule. If you think this war is about all that ideological nonsense about "freeing all those poor Iraqi slaves", then open a history book. the US has had a very specific and focused interest in the Middle East since the end of WWII.  excluding our support of Zionism, none of our policies, actions, and whatnot have ever supported "freedom in the Middle East".  the Middle East is the breadbasket for industrialized countries.  it\'s no coincidence that rencent the political amd military actions in Iraq were set forth by oil jockies tightly involved in the Middle East have decided to sacrifice thousands of lives to obtain political, social, and economic control over a cache of resources.<br />
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Nazi Germany invaded 9 countries in 1939 (including North Africa).  they formed and implemented the most gruesome form of mass genocide known to man, and kept a tight and unwanted grip on all of it\'s territories.<br />
<br />
our military actions since WW2 have not been defending and liberating millions of people from a corrupt, destructive, and unjust form of totalitarianism.  all they have done is disrupt, polarize, and destory cultures and people for petty political reasons.  Korea, Vietnam, Iraq.  i dont think all the lives lost for those wars were worth their outcomes.  Korea so far is the only pseudo-success story, and even then there are some catches.</blockquote>
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And Nazi Germany didn&#8217;t directly threaten Britain when it attacked Poland in 1939, nor did it ever invade or directly threaten the US. The US fought the Germans in Europe because they learned from Britain&#8217;s example: if you don&#8217;t fight them over there, you&#8217;ll fight them over here.<br />
<br />
It&#8217;s easy to look back at WWII and say that it was clearly a case of good and evil. But it wasn&#8217;t so black and white at the time. They didn&#8217;t have the film footage of Auschwitz and other concentration camps, and many people during the war (including US soldiers) thought the camps were all Allied propaganda. Many socialists at the time (including a future Canadian Prime Minister) denounced &#8220;Churchill&#8217;s War&#8221; as a &#8220;racist imperialistic war&#8221;. Many Britons, and Americans, felt that fighting the Nazi&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t worth what it would cost in suffering and wealth, especially in light of WWI. <br />
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Britain could have accepted Hitler&#8217;s peace offer in 1940, saved its empire, its cities, ? million of its people, and left Europe, Russia, and Europe&#8217;s Jews to suffer enslavement and death under the Nazi&#8217;s without help or hope of deliverance. And like the millions of dead under communism, we&#8217;d never have had film evidence of the mountains of corpses to make the horror of the regime inescapably real. <br />
<br />
Does that mean that it was the Allies &#8220;job&#8221; to save all those people and free Europe from Nazism? No, I don&#8217;t believe in entitlement. I don&#8217;t believe anyone is entitled to anything, particularly at someone else&#8217;s expense. However I do believe in honour; I do believe that some things are morally better than others, and occasionally so much so that they are worth fighting and possibly dying for. Time and the ability to see the whole truth of Nazism proved that WWII was one of those times.<br />
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As for Iraq, I think more people died under the UN&#8217;s oil for kickbacks sanction scheme that ended with the war. And before that, more people died during Saddam&#8217;s war with Iran.<br />
<br />
I used to believe in Utopian politics, but unfortunately life is frequently a question of \"which is the lesser of several evils?\". The whole &#8220;no blood for oil&#8221; schtick was started by the people and governments that were making billions under the UN sanctions.<br />
<br />
 &#8220;May 2003 chart from the American Petroleum Institute web site. The top five crude oil imports from foreign countries to the U.S. breaks down as follows: <br />
17.8% from Saudi Arabia <br />
16.5% from Canada <br />
12.8% from Venezuela <br />
12.0% from Mexico <br />
7.5% from Nigeria&#8221;<br />
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<blockquote><cite>Yellowbelly Wrote:</cite>BS. Iraq was not about a much needed natural resource. If we were that desperate, we would have drilled in Alaska.</blockquote>
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Or invaded Canada. I wish you&#8217;d invaded Canada, &#8216;cause we REALY need a regime change up here!!!!!<img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br />
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Actually, in the interest of full disclosure, I should say that I would be willing to fight for Canada if we elected a decent center or center-right regime instead of the bunch of corrupt, Marxist, scumbags that are currently ruining the country. Failing that, in a WWIII type of situation I&#8217;d enlist in the US army. I do agree that fighting for an ideal you believe in is better than blind patriotism. I just think it&#8217;s na?ve to expect any current event is going to appear as black and white as WWII does 60 years on.<br />
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Yes, fighting communism was disruptive, but it was just as evil and dangerous as Nazism. And yes, the way it was fought was often the worst possible strategy - the &#8220;dirty little wars&#8221; from the 50&#8217;s through the 80&#8217;s. But what&#8217;s a government supposed to do with a expansionist communist enemy that threatens US freedom (including economic freedom), a population that demands jobs and prosperity, and the generation that should fighting for freedom chanting &#8220;hell no, we won&#8217;t go&#8221;? <br />
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It was a terrible policy, but infinitely better than letting communism win and the U.S. (&amp; Europe) wither into 3rd world countries and eventually be overrun.<br />
What really kills me about the left is that for years they&#8217;ve been whining about US support of dictators, but now that a government is attempting to reverse that policy, they&#8217;re even more upset!!!! And while Korea is far from perfect, compared to North Korea it&#8217;s a bloody paradise.<br />
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I don&#8217;t agree that the US&#8217;s reasons were about oil. The opposition from the UN, France, Canada, Russia, several politicians and journalists who were getting kickbacks bribes and contracts from the Saddam regime &#8211; THAT was about oil. Whether it was the right thing is another question. But it was probably better than doing nothing and waiting for their next attack. You know &#8211; the best defense is a good offence.<br />
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Put it another way: CAMPING DOESN&#8217;T WORK! AND THE US AINT CAMPERS.<img src="images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" /><br />
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<blockquote><cite>=D.C.L.I=TuRb0jUg3nD Wrote:</cite>"During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. &#8230;<br />
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I would imagine they had their facts straight! But anyhoo, I was flaunting the unprecendented economical statistics of 8 years of largely minding own bidniss.</blockquote>
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Yup, Clinton and Chamberlain, two masters at giving the world peace in their time. And while Clinton does get full marks for not screwing up the economic boom, the boom itself was caused by free trade and the personal computer, not Clinton.<br />
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<blockquote><cite>=D.C.L.I=TuRb0jUg3nD Wrote:</cite>It is the motives behind and the arrogant refusal to cooperate with the rest of the world in ousting him (you know: with minimal bloodshed &#8211; yeah, we wussie euros are strangely weird that way), that bugs us.</blockquote>
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Well, my guess is the main motives for snubbing the UN were:<br />
1. they wanted to keep the &#8220;oil for fraud&#8221; scheme going forever and would have stalled the US forever.<br />
2. to drive a steak through the heart of the global governance movement (the new face of Marxist Utopian politics).<br />
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<blockquote><cite>=D.C.L.I=TuRb0jUg3nD Wrote:</cite>Oh, and the UN were founded to ensure that we never would see a war like WW2 again, through diplomacy, communication and understanding.</blockquote>
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Exactly like founding the League of Nations after WWI to prevent &#8230; er, never mind. I think the bomb did a better job of keeping the peace than the UN.8)<br />
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P.S. good debate guys, and sorry for the long post. Cheers, Boomer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[... in the \"Would you defend your country\" discussion.<br />
<br />
If they want to discuss Iraq or the US politics, they can start a new thread. <br />
<br />
Here is his post in case he wants it back (through PM or whatever) :<br />
<br />
[Sgt. Boomer walks into a quite room, leaves a little post and walks out. Comes back later, finds blood carnage and mayhem. He blushes a little with embarrassment, but then thinks &#8220;what the heck, it is a war-game sight.&#8221;]<br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>isoFlux Wrote:</cite>Iraq isn\'t about "freeing the Iraqi people".  its an imperialist venture to help secure the most needed natural resource. period.  Iraq didn\'t threaten the U.S.  More people have died during the US/Coalition invasion and occupation than in Saddam\'s rule. If you think this war is about all that ideological nonsense about "freeing all those poor Iraqi slaves", then open a history book. the US has had a very specific and focused interest in the Middle East since the end of WWII.  excluding our support of Zionism, none of our policies, actions, and whatnot have ever supported "freedom in the Middle East".  the Middle East is the breadbasket for industrialized countries.  it\'s no coincidence that rencent the political amd military actions in Iraq were set forth by oil jockies tightly involved in the Middle East have decided to sacrifice thousands of lives to obtain political, social, and economic control over a cache of resources.<br />
<br />
Nazi Germany invaded 9 countries in 1939 (including North Africa).  they formed and implemented the most gruesome form of mass genocide known to man, and kept a tight and unwanted grip on all of it\'s territories.<br />
<br />
our military actions since WW2 have not been defending and liberating millions of people from a corrupt, destructive, and unjust form of totalitarianism.  all they have done is disrupt, polarize, and destory cultures and people for petty political reasons.  Korea, Vietnam, Iraq.  i dont think all the lives lost for those wars were worth their outcomes.  Korea so far is the only pseudo-success story, and even then there are some catches.</blockquote>
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And Nazi Germany didn&#8217;t directly threaten Britain when it attacked Poland in 1939, nor did it ever invade or directly threaten the US. The US fought the Germans in Europe because they learned from Britain&#8217;s example: if you don&#8217;t fight them over there, you&#8217;ll fight them over here.<br />
<br />
It&#8217;s easy to look back at WWII and say that it was clearly a case of good and evil. But it wasn&#8217;t so black and white at the time. They didn&#8217;t have the film footage of Auschwitz and other concentration camps, and many people during the war (including US soldiers) thought the camps were all Allied propaganda. Many socialists at the time (including a future Canadian Prime Minister) denounced &#8220;Churchill&#8217;s War&#8221; as a &#8220;racist imperialistic war&#8221;. Many Britons, and Americans, felt that fighting the Nazi&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t worth what it would cost in suffering and wealth, especially in light of WWI. <br />
<br />
Britain could have accepted Hitler&#8217;s peace offer in 1940, saved its empire, its cities, ? million of its people, and left Europe, Russia, and Europe&#8217;s Jews to suffer enslavement and death under the Nazi&#8217;s without help or hope of deliverance. And like the millions of dead under communism, we&#8217;d never have had film evidence of the mountains of corpses to make the horror of the regime inescapably real. <br />
<br />
Does that mean that it was the Allies &#8220;job&#8221; to save all those people and free Europe from Nazism? No, I don&#8217;t believe in entitlement. I don&#8217;t believe anyone is entitled to anything, particularly at someone else&#8217;s expense. However I do believe in honour; I do believe that some things are morally better than others, and occasionally so much so that they are worth fighting and possibly dying for. Time and the ability to see the whole truth of Nazism proved that WWII was one of those times.<br />
<br />
As for Iraq, I think more people died under the UN&#8217;s oil for kickbacks sanction scheme that ended with the war. And before that, more people died during Saddam&#8217;s war with Iran.<br />
<br />
I used to believe in Utopian politics, but unfortunately life is frequently a question of \"which is the lesser of several evils?\". The whole &#8220;no blood for oil&#8221; schtick was started by the people and governments that were making billions under the UN sanctions.<br />
<br />
 &#8220;May 2003 chart from the American Petroleum Institute web site. The top five crude oil imports from foreign countries to the U.S. breaks down as follows: <br />
17.8% from Saudi Arabia <br />
16.5% from Canada <br />
12.8% from Venezuela <br />
12.0% from Mexico <br />
7.5% from Nigeria&#8221;<br />
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<blockquote><cite>Yellowbelly Wrote:</cite>BS. Iraq was not about a much needed natural resource. If we were that desperate, we would have drilled in Alaska.</blockquote>
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Or invaded Canada. I wish you&#8217;d invaded Canada, &#8216;cause we REALY need a regime change up here!!!!!<img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br />
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Actually, in the interest of full disclosure, I should say that I would be willing to fight for Canada if we elected a decent center or center-right regime instead of the bunch of corrupt, Marxist, scumbags that are currently ruining the country. Failing that, in a WWIII type of situation I&#8217;d enlist in the US army. I do agree that fighting for an ideal you believe in is better than blind patriotism. I just think it&#8217;s na?ve to expect any current event is going to appear as black and white as WWII does 60 years on.<br />
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Yes, fighting communism was disruptive, but it was just as evil and dangerous as Nazism. And yes, the way it was fought was often the worst possible strategy - the &#8220;dirty little wars&#8221; from the 50&#8217;s through the 80&#8217;s. But what&#8217;s a government supposed to do with a expansionist communist enemy that threatens US freedom (including economic freedom), a population that demands jobs and prosperity, and the generation that should fighting for freedom chanting &#8220;hell no, we won&#8217;t go&#8221;? <br />
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It was a terrible policy, but infinitely better than letting communism win and the U.S. (&amp; Europe) wither into 3rd world countries and eventually be overrun.<br />
What really kills me about the left is that for years they&#8217;ve been whining about US support of dictators, but now that a government is attempting to reverse that policy, they&#8217;re even more upset!!!! And while Korea is far from perfect, compared to North Korea it&#8217;s a bloody paradise.<br />
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I don&#8217;t agree that the US&#8217;s reasons were about oil. The opposition from the UN, France, Canada, Russia, several politicians and journalists who were getting kickbacks bribes and contracts from the Saddam regime &#8211; THAT was about oil. Whether it was the right thing is another question. But it was probably better than doing nothing and waiting for their next attack. You know &#8211; the best defense is a good offence.<br />
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Put it another way: CAMPING DOESN&#8217;T WORK! AND THE US AINT CAMPERS.<img src="images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" /><br />
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<blockquote><cite>=D.C.L.I=TuRb0jUg3nD Wrote:</cite>"During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. &#8230;<br />
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I would imagine they had their facts straight! But anyhoo, I was flaunting the unprecendented economical statistics of 8 years of largely minding own bidniss.</blockquote>
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Yup, Clinton and Chamberlain, two masters at giving the world peace in their time. And while Clinton does get full marks for not screwing up the economic boom, the boom itself was caused by free trade and the personal computer, not Clinton.<br />
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<blockquote><cite>=D.C.L.I=TuRb0jUg3nD Wrote:</cite>It is the motives behind and the arrogant refusal to cooperate with the rest of the world in ousting him (you know: with minimal bloodshed &#8211; yeah, we wussie euros are strangely weird that way), that bugs us.</blockquote>
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Well, my guess is the main motives for snubbing the UN were:<br />
1. they wanted to keep the &#8220;oil for fraud&#8221; scheme going forever and would have stalled the US forever.<br />
2. to drive a steak through the heart of the global governance movement (the new face of Marxist Utopian politics).<br />
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<blockquote><cite>=D.C.L.I=TuRb0jUg3nD Wrote:</cite>Oh, and the UN were founded to ensure that we never would see a war like WW2 again, through diplomacy, communication and understanding.</blockquote>
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Exactly like founding the League of Nations after WWI to prevent &#8230; er, never mind. I think the bomb did a better job of keeping the peace than the UN.8)<br />
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P.S. good debate guys, and sorry for the long post. Cheers, Boomer.]]></content:encoded>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:47:55 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>also request from Jonathan to delete the \"New Forums\" thread from general discussions, i say yes</blockquote>
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Well he is Admin, and grand master of these forums, so i went ahead and did it. :wacko:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>also request from Jonathan to delete the \"New Forums\" thread from general discussions, i say yes</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[The movie thread]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=174</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:06:01 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[What movies are you waiting for? <br />
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I suggest we move that to cultural zone as it\'s actually a pretty good thread imho.<br />
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What do you guys think?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[What movies are you waiting for? <br />
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I suggest we move that to cultural zone as it\'s actually a pretty good thread imho.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[To Jonathan]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=172</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:09:12 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Could you check out the current Moderator Notice written by Shift?<br />
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In short, check black and Clinton\'s IP adresses. If they are the same guy he should get some sort of warning.<br />
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The IP thing doesn\'t work well with me. I get some weirdness due to portals I have to go through here at work.<br />
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<span style="color: red;">NOTE : I wrote this here to make certain none of the other Moderators mark that notice as \"Read\" until you\'ve got it checked out.</span><br />
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Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Could you check out the current Moderator Notice written by Shift?<br />
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In short, check black and Clinton\'s IP adresses. If they are the same guy he should get some sort of warning.<br />
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The IP thing doesn\'t work well with me. I get some weirdness due to portals I have to go through here at work.<br />
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<span style="color: red;">NOTE : I wrote this here to make certain none of the other Moderators mark that notice as \"Read\" until you\'ve got it checked out.</span><br />
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Thanks.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[We have to start one of these]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=126</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:08:19 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[can we rename the thread in the history section to something like:<br />
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favorite armoured vehicle<br />
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its really starting to annoy me <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[can we rename the thread in the history section to something like:<br />
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favorite armoured vehicle<br />
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its really starting to annoy me <img src="images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align: middle;" border="0" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[CSHITS...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=125</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:02:09 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Whenever I click on a thread he\'s posted in, a popup comes up.  I don\'t know if he\'s hacking the board or something, but I don\'t like this guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Whenever I click on a thread he\'s posted in, a popup comes up.  I don\'t know if he\'s hacking the board or something, but I don\'t like this guy.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[NSFW:  Do we want to spell it out?]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=113</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:49:14 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I was thinking we should enforce this rule.  Any posts made with questionable content must have \"NSFW\" at the beginning of it.  Still same rules apply, just for stuff like the drinking post.  <br />
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Anytime it is NSFW, a mod would just edit that into the title.<br />
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Want to do it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I was thinking we should enforce this rule.  Any posts made with questionable content must have \"NSFW\" at the beginning of it.  Still same rules apply, just for stuff like the drinking post.  <br />
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Anytime it is NSFW, a mod would just edit that into the title.<br />
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Want to do it?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[EK, You\'re drinking post...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.ghc-games.com/showthread.php?tid=94</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:36:29 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[It\'s funny, but the first picture is just a step too much in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[It\'s funny, but the first picture is just a step too much in my opinion.]]></content:encoded>
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