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Announcement From The American People
01-27-2005, 02:52 PM
Post: #44
RE: A Public Announcement
the middle east hates us. they hated us before the invasion of Iraq (for a variety of reasons). so why hit a bee hive with a baseball bat? you don\'t increase national security by invading an extremely volitile, fundamentalist country that hates you. that is NOT the safest option.

Quote:The only way to make this not happen is if that monarchy or dictatorship rules by propaganda and terror so there is no possibility of revolt.
are you suggesting that democracies dont use these same tactics? in democracies, esp the democracy in the US, use very similar tactics of persuasion and propaganda. it just takes different forms. in the case of the USSR it was posters and the KGB. in the US its the mass media (FOX, for example) and the CIA. don\'t sugar coat the US government. they are just as down-and-dirty as totalitarian regimes and oligarchys. its just in a different colored box.

simplicity is something that does not exist in the real world. you cant say: \"well, everybody that protests democracy in Iraq is _____ [insert evil, a terrorist, or a destoyer of freedom]\". you have to look at the big picture.
the Sunni Muslims are the only group that is actually protesting the implementation of a Democratic government. it isnt because they dont have a hardon for patriotism or freedom, its because they want power. the Shiites are the majority and have been shit on by the Ba\'ath party since it\'s institution. they dont mind a democracy because it gives them the perfect chance to instate an Iranian-style Theocracy and totally fuck over the Sunnis. and the Kurds have been shit on during this whole mess.

in their fundamentalist point of view, freedom IS an Islamic Theocracy. freedom is subjective.

democracy has gaping flaws, but all in all is a superior and \"fairer\" system to most others (besides true communism, but we have yet to witness a country who has done it right). but that doesnt mean that we need to shove it in people\'s faces and thrust it down their cultural throats. they arent ready for it. they dont want it. and cramming up their ass with an iron fist will only piss them off. social-political-economic changes take time. and despite our best efforts, the Marine Corps will not make the process any less damaging or leave smaller scars.


also, this is an interesting concept. lets take:
Quote:Many nations with monarchies and dictatorships HATE the idea of freedom. That gives ideas to the people of the nation so they want to demand the same thing.
and apply it on a larger, international scale.

how about this:
America is the superpower, and of couse we want it to stay that way. we do this by proving our system to be superior.
but what if people find ways of doing things better? what if somebody else structures their system very differently from ours and people are still happy and productive? we would loose reputation and superiority. that means that the US needs to suppress all other forms of government that do not comply with the basic principals of the one we have.
communism, theocracies, oligarchies, you name it. to stay in power and on top, we must crush people who oppose us, even if they might have good ideas.


oh, and name ONE thing the Dept. of Homeland Security can do that the War Dept. (oh, excuse me, they re-named it the Dept. of Defense to sugar-coat our \"police actions\") can\'t or shouldn\'t do.
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RE: A Public Announcement - izzybob7 - 01-22-2005, 01:28 PM
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