Fighting Evil

[Sgt. Boomer]

joeb Wrote:I know a lot of that is true, although I think you made that cardboard shredder thing up on the spot.

No, that was a major news story back when the war started. Though I was wrong about it being for cardboard- it was a plastic shredder.
From The Guardian:

Quote:In one of Iraq\'s most notorious prisons, Abu Ghraib in Baghdad, there were plastic shredders. They were a bit like an office paper shredder, except more robust, because they were designed to mince up old plastic. There, though, they were used to shred people. Just before the Americans arrived, (Ann) Clwyd says, the Iraqis \"were executing all the remaining prisoners, and that\'s why nobody is found alive at any of the prisons\".
But just before the war, Ms Clwyd met people in Kurdistan who had been in Abu Ghraib - \"in fact they were the last people to come out alive\" - and they confirmed the story. \"People were either put in head first, or foot first. If you went in foot first, it took you longer.\"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/interview...22,00.html
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaf...09,00.html

You have a charmingly na?ve view of the military if you think everybody follows orders without question or deviation. Soldiers are people and people are fallible. And the US isn’t perfect. But on the sliding scale of morality they are far ahead of Saddam’s regime.

joeb Wrote:believe me the US government does not give a **** about human rights!

Whether or not they actually have any (bleeding)heartfelt concern for the vulnerable of the world, the US remains the nation most committed to actually doing things to advance human rights. Which begs the old question- if they’re rights, why aren’t they self-enforcing?