Fighting Evil

[joeb]

dr.moe Wrote:two things - first: the acts in abu graib were done by soldiers to soldiers, people to poeple - not governments to governments. please do not confuse a shared vision with an extremist(or radical, acolyte, any one person sharing the vision).

Soldier follow orders, or at least should. Who give the orders? The military command, whom do they get their orders from? the government.

dr.moe Wrote:second: by what scale do you gauge america\'s compassion for human rights? seriously now, why would ANYONE, much less a group of rich white dudes, take the time, effort and cash and try to better someone else or make sure they\'re safe?! what can you gain by that?! debt. the nation\'s debt kinda explains that(im not saying that\'s all the US spends its cash on. but it doesnt all go toward bombs either).

Am I wrong here or are ye saying that just because it\'s pricey human rights shouldn\'t need to be honoured??

And I don\'t think you should view this in a \'what\'s to be gained from it\' perspective. It isn\'t called a human \'right\' for nothing.

dr.moe Wrote:big thing i wanted to say, the US military screwed up by forgetting something about human nature. there was a study performed in the bomb shelter of a university campus. the study involved two groups: prisoners and guards. the guards had no superiors and the prisoners had no rights.

in less than a month, the study went straight downhill. prisoners were being beaten, raped, violated in every concievable way. at first it was cool, boundaries were accepted and respect was shared. but it went down hill almost immediately. they cancelled the stud, and that experiment along with a couple others caused the US government to ban such experiments from being conducted. in the name of human rights ~ what reason do we have to subject humans to such disturbing experiments? there you go.

the US military forgot about this experiment, and now we are all paying the price.

An interesting study yes, very. But I don\'t think it proves the point that it\'s just the soldiers acting up there. I mean something like that torturing should be noticed very early on.

Also, according to that study, how come this stuff didn\'t happen with other captives like in the Dutch\'s military prison? Either it\'s allowed from above, or the us military doesn\'t care about what happens and simply doesn\'t look.