101 rules of black metal

[Gego]

Tool is not a metal band. It\'s not even a bit like metal.

[Big-Al]

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[isoFlux]

\"Metal\" basically means distorted guitars, loud bass and drums, and riffing, but also a \"heavy\" sound. Bands like Cream, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Blue Oyster Cult pioneered the sound. These late-60\'s and 70\'s bands are usually reffered to \"Heavy Metal\", a sub-genre of metal pretty much determined by the time of their popularity, but also styles and so forth: things like covering blues songs, long guitar solos, etc etc. The \"Metal\" tag can pretty much be put on every band that uses distorted, riffing guitars, except for certain genres like Grunge and Pop, simply because of the lack of \"power\" or \"heaviness\" in the songs.

Case: Smashing Pumpkin\'s Today or Nirvana\'s Smells Like Teen Spirit vs Metallica\'s Leper Messiah or Iron Maiden\'s The Trooper. The former two obviously are heavily influenced by Metal, use riffing, distorted guitars, and a lot of bass, but neither have the apparent power and heaviness of the latter two (in addion to the lack of prominent and long guitar solos). Smashing Pumpins is largely not like Slayer and Venom: they don\'t make you want to sacrifice children and break stuff But bands like Alice In Chains are a hybrid of traditional Metal and Grunge, having that more mainstream, alt-metal feel while still keeping the power and solos.

However, Tool is Metal: Progressive Metal. They have a super-heavy, dark sound, use bass everywhere (the insrument and the lower ranges), use riffing everywhere, and feature some guitar solos (even if they aren\'t traditional). They lack the progrssive attitude in the songs (not the pretentious, operatic vocals and styles of bands like Yes, Queensryche, or Dream Theatre).

In any case, \"Metal\" is a VERY broad category, encompassing almost every genre mentioned above. Its like the \"root\" genre from which sooooo many come from (Death, Doom, Heavy, Gothic, Thrash, Speed, Power, etc etc). Hell, even Jethro Tull has some Heavy Metal leanings in songs like Aqualung.

[Big-Al]

jethro tull is a nice way to end that post



...Anyway, here is an interesting site about metal, going into the mort phlosophical reasoning behind the styles: http://www.anus.com/metal/about/genre.html well worth haveing a look at.

[Gego]

isoFlux Wrote:However, Tool is Metal: Progressive Metal. They have a super-heavy, dark sound, use bass everywhere (the insrument and the lower ranges), use riffing everywhere, and feature some guitar solos (even if they aren\'t traditional). They lack the progrssive attitude in the songs (not the pretentious, operatic vocals and styles of bands like Yes, Queensryche, or Dream Theatre).

In any case, "Metal" is a VERY broad category, encompassing almost every genre mentioned above. Its like the "root" genre from which sooooo many come from (Death, Doom, Heavy, Gothic, Thrash, Speed, Power, etc etc). Hell, even Jethro Tull has some Heavy Metal leanings in songs like Aqualung.

Tool never was and will never be a metal band. Super-heavy, dark sound? I bet you\'ve never heard any metal bands. You can hear bass on pop songs man. Guitar solos appear only in metal hmm interesting.
Nobody uses only word \"metal\" to describe band\'s genre. Metal bands are those which played in 70\'s-80\'s before other subgenres were separated/invented. You wouldn\'t call these bands metal now becouse it\'s closer to hard rock. I\'m talking about bands like Skid Row.

From your words i understand that hardcore is progressive metal too! Well more metal than Tool.

[isoFlux]

I reject the statement that Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, and Robin Trower cease to be \"Metal\" for the sole reason that bands like Venom, Metallica, and Iron Maiden expanded on the sound. They, Cream, Foghat, Steppenwolf, Iron Butterfly, and many other bands were integral developments which led to the coining of the term, and the definition of the genre. A genre doesn\'t migrate. A genre is defined by the bands that are associated with it. Nirvana will never cease to be Grunge, even though bands like Soundgarden, Bush, Smashing Pumkins, Alice in Chains, and Pearl Jam expanded the sound. Kyuss is still Stoner Rock, even if Queensryche explores past what Kyuss originally did. In the very same vein, just because Metallica is angrier, and Opeth more \"epic\"-sounding, Led Zeppelin is still part of the genre it pioneered. You can\'t argue that Communication Breakdown, Dazed and Confused, and How Many More times aren\'t, dark, heavy, and epic.

Metal is the ground-genre. It is a sub-genre of Rock. But you wouldn\'t say a band is just rock, or just metal. There are subgenres that are used to describe bands, and sub-subgenres, and so on that are used to narrow the description of a band. Think of genres as not flat, but a heirarchy. Led Zeppelin and Skid Row are both Metal bands, but Led Zeppelin is \"Heavy Metal\", \"Folk Metal\" and \"Bluesrock\", and Skid Row are \"Hair Metal\" and \"Pop Metal\". They are both Metal bands just like they are both Rock bands just like they are both music. They share basic philosiphies: distorted and aggressive riffing, a \"heavy\" sound, and solos. They use those elements differently, with varying effects and moods, which separates their sound beyond the bland category of \"Metal\", and makes it necessary for us to more accuratly define their sound with more specifically defined genres.

On a side note:
Notice how most of the genres being discussed in this thread are postfixed with \"Metal\". This implies that they are all part of the father-genre of \"Metal\".

[Big-Al]

i want to know why and how EMO got into metal magazines