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RE: 101 rules of black metal - tomcat ha - 12-22-2005 09:54 PM
Deicide is still Death for me. They may have omg christianity suxxors lyrics but theire music style is still death. Lyrics are just a thing which help determine the genre but do not make a band death or black on its own.
RE: 101 rules of black metal - Big-Al - 12-22-2005 10:33 PM
exactly
RE: 101 rules of black metal - Gego - 12-23-2005 01:34 AM
Opeth = progressive metal
Deicide = death metal
HIM is not a metal band and love metal doesn\'t exist...
Lyrics can determine band\'s subgenre and nothing more.
RE: 101 rules of black metal - Delirium_ - 12-23-2005 01:56 AM
nooooo!!! *shoots all of you*
RE: 101 rules of black metal - tomcat ha - 12-23-2005 02:39 AM
I conside Opeth more progressive Death. Opeth sometimes is really death and sometimes only a bit.
RE: 101 rules of black metal - Gego - 12-23-2005 07:55 AM
Progressive is progressive even if it sounds a bit like death.
RE: 101 rules of black metal - Big-Al - 12-23-2005 06:02 PM
well opeth is both then
like behmoth is both black & death metal
RE: 101 rules of black metal - isoFlux - 12-23-2005 07:25 PM
See, Al is almost thinking the way I do about genres and bands.
Genre implies a category to which bands belong. I conceptualize a genre being a category of sound, lyrics, effects, styles, everything that makes a band, and the genres belong to and influence bands. Think of a band like a pie chart, and the different genres being the pieces.
Case study: Tool.
They are said to belong to many genres: alt-metal, heavy metal, progrssive rock, progressive metal, math rock, even nu-metal (wtf!?).
I say Tool is Tool. Just like Metallica is Metallica and Opeth is Opeth. What distinguishes these bands is not their \"allegence\" to a genre, or what genre they \"belong to\", but what genres they draw from in their songs.
Tool is part
Alt-metal, due to songs like Sober and Pushit.
Thrash, for their driving riffs: Lateralus, Stinkfist, and Schism
Heavy Metal, for their heavy sound, but also songs like Swamp Song reminicent of the 70s sound.
Progressive, due to their interludes (Useful Idiot, (-)Ions), song length (Third Eye, Reflection), and their general approach on the music, including attitudes and the fact that every band member has side projects.
Math Rock, on songs like Lateralus, and generally unusual time signatures
Industrial, Die Eier von Satan and Third Eye are excellent examples
Stoner Rock, as in Third Eye and Disposition/Reflection/Triad
Nu-metal, however, is not a part of Tool. They have influenced the genre, but if that were to mean they WERE nu-metal, that would mean that hundreds of southern blues artists are Heavy Metal because he influenced Led Zeppelin.
I\'d say that Tool is predominantly Progressive Metal, with touches of Stoner, Industrial, and Math rock here and there. But the point is, they aren\'t really categorized, but broken into different genres.
I\'d describe Opeth as Progressive Death, due to the cookie-monster growls
RE: 101 rules of black metal - Big-Al - 12-23-2005 08:09 PM
Cookie monster growls are pwnage
listening to Morbid Angel\'s Blessed are the Sick right now. this has got to be their most satanic album (my least favorite too) but it\'s deffinatly a death metal album. But then this is a band that created a gendre.
and yes, i agree with isoFlux.
catagorising bands is useful when it comes to discovering new styles and bands.
RE: 101 rules of black metal - =D.C.L.I=Everest - 12-24-2005 03:16 AM
Genres suck.